Jenny Moonstone did a recent interview with "alternative theorist" Clif High. Like many "ancient alien" theorists, he brings up some interesting mysteries of ancient civilization, but skips to a biased conclusion. But make up your own mind! I've posted the video and my own comments below it.
Clif's Vid
When people start talking about the Anunaki as if it's historical fact that they were visitors from another planet, I just can't keep my mouth shut.
Does anyone in the alien visitation community use the legitimate translations of the ancient text instead of the ones done by Zacharia Sitchen? No other linguist agrees with Sitchin, and not because of conspiracy. All you have to do is learn the language and you can see his errors. It's almost like picking the Urantia Book as your go-to translation of the Bible.
Why did it take the Anunaki 6 million years to alter our genetics, and why does the fossil record make it look exactly like natural evolution? We could alter genetics faster than that TODAY, so these light-speed travelling aliens must be really primitive. In actuality, many indigenous cultures in SE Asia still maintain that the "Children of the Sun" descended from the sky and became the nobles...and that has nothing to do with aliens.
Some info I've volunteered for Clif's research, nevertheless:
The original rulers of Tibet believed they evolved from a "one footed" androgynous creature with webbed hands who could cover its head with his tongue. The Dogon, Basques, Tibetans, and Ainu repeatedly get claims of "share-words" in their vocabularies, often dismissed by linguists. Linguists generally only look at whether the languages themselves are related, discounting the idea that they may have shared a common neighbor who used a language that's now extinct. These four communities also exhibit some of the most basal lineages within Y Haplogroup DE. It appears this haplogroup was split in two somewhere in the Middle East around 90,000 years ago—precidsely the time at which Neanderthal invaded the Middle East and ran all of the homo sapiens to the east and west (as evidenced by the fossil record).
The earliest Upper Paleolithic culture in Africa, and maybe the world, circa 90,000 yrs ago, was made by a subspecies of homo sapiens with a semiaquatic lifestyle and many archaic traits.
This is actually mainstream thought on the subject.
Semliki Harpoons
An extremely similar culture arose on the island of Timor circa 42,000 years ago. But what makes this culture so advanced is not spaceships or ray-guns—they made intricate harpoon points out of BONE (not advanced polymer). The rest of the world would not see this technology until 18,000 years ago and later. The culture on Timor also made the first fish hooks and designated their royalty with nautilus shell pendants. The African branch circa 90 thousand years ago made yearly trips into the congo to hunt giant catfish using the same methods as the later Timor culture, the Magdelenians, and later the Polynesians and Eskimos.
Is it a coincidence that the three latter groups have high levels of the so-called Chromosome 11 "Mungo Man" introgression, "Mystery Hominid" introgression, and practiced artificial cranial deformation at an early date?
The Timor culture has the earliest record of deep sea fishing, as deep sea species are found in the cave where they lived.
Cro-Magnons in Sulawesi?
Right across the channel from Timor on Sulawesi, a different group was making some of the first cave paintings at the same time, but the semi-aquatic culture on Timor seems not to have practiced cave painting.
But there is one earlier known instance of cave painting—in Spain. But these are agreed to have been made by Neanderthals. And they are the same as those in Sulawesi—blown red ochre hand stencils. What's more, they all show the cultural practice of finger amputation. This is a mourning ritual still practiced by some Australian aborigines and a few tribes in Papua New Guinea. Those tribes still practice the hand stencil culture. To almost every other culture on Earth the practice seems foreign and nonsensical, so there's no reason to doubt a cultural continuum.
But cave paintings and the hand stencils are unknown on Timor and the surrounding islands until possibly as late as 5000 years ago. This is long after animals and plants had been introduced to those islands by humans, long after advanced fishing techniques developed there. From as far back as 20,000 years ago, an obsidian trade network existed between these islands that proves complex sea travel like no other sites of comparable age. But they didn't give a damn about cave painting or hand stencils.
Among the Timor tools in the lowest levels are scrapers almost identical to those used by "The Hobbit," whose culture was also nearby on the island of Flores.
Interestingly, the Oroqen of China and the succeeding rulers of Tibet claimed they descended from the union of a divine monkey and an ogress. Right across the water from Timor in Australia, one of the oldest cave paintings depicts a monkey and a human woman having sex.
Monkeys have never lived in Australia.
The Oroqen share their Y Haplogroup C with the earliest Cro-Magnons in Europe, with the Australian Aborigines, and with the exact tribes in Papua New Guinea who still amputate fingers to mourn death and create hand stencils on cave walls—the Dani and the Lani.
Not Reptiles
The word "reptile" has become a junk word in paleoanthropology, since birds are not reptiles but are closer related to dinosaurs than their fellow reptiles, and "reptile" synapsids are more akin to mammals than to other 'reptiles." Scientists are more likely to use the "synapsid," "diapsid," or "anapsid" designation to denote the differences in clades nowadays. In ancient times, people often considered almost any animal without fur a reptile, especially semi-aquatic things that breath air. In ancient stories, what is described as a sea serpent often has more in common with a primitive whale. In other words, the magi and naga who came swimming across the Indian Ocean need not have been diapsids or anapsids or aliens in order to be considered "reptiles" by the terminology of the day.
The culture being described doesn't seem to have actually had flippers, but I can totally see why such a semiaquatic race would adopt a seal or walrus as its totem. This creature was called the Theurang, and has been theorized to have been a walrus, seal, or sometimes even an orang utan.
I can also see why a hairless race might consider hairy people do be "divine monkeys."
Of course the hairless gene swept through Africa around 1.2 million years ago, but what does that actually mean? We'll have to save that one for another post that will expound on some of the ideas we're debating here.
Since lots of commentors were suggesting that Jenny have Clif return, I left a comment to make the next video more interesting (at least for me).
"You should have Laird Scranton on to debate Clif about the Dogon. He's done decades of great work to show the amazing things they knew about our universe, but his explanation of where it comes from is the most convincing theory I've read yet.
Interesting ideas about the elementals of nature, Jenny. And there are definitely vast pockets in the Earth, several massive caves were recently discovered in Asia(one with its own weather system). Hollow Earth is actually a lot more scientifically tenable than space travel, or the probability of a reason for aliens to come here."
Though I'm not a hollow Earth theorist, I find it folly to ignore the fact that we keep finding massive caves and pockets underground and evidence of an ocean beneath the crust. Antarctica has many secrets to reveal in the next few decades, but I guess we're not going to get them from Google Earth.
Almost all people today have Neanderthal introgression, including the vast majority of Africans. Every population has some "Mungo Man" introgression at Chromosome 11, which likely comes from a "ghost population" of archaic homo sapiens who made their last stand somewhere in the Pacific. Almost every population has Microcephalin D, which introgressed from a sub-species of Hominid which first branched off from us over a million years ago.
But we don't have any alien introgression. Nothing that diverged from us 6 billion years ago. In fact the oldest introgression has 3.1 million year divergence point, which is almost exactly the same date as our last tryst with chimpanzees.
If there was a war between two slaver species and we were the slaves, it might be better to look to the 6 archaic subspecies in Africa, Eurasia, and SE Asia who taught us how to make fire and how to domesticate wolves. Neanderthals, Denisovans, African Archaics, Hobbits, the "Mystery Hominid," the various ghost tribes of Archaic Homo Sapien in our DNA...those who gave us our immunity genes and the strength to survive when 90% of homo sapiens died off during the Pleistocene, and even later when 90% of male lineages died off in the Neolithic.
Since Clif thinks the Anunnaki were lying about creating mankind, it follows the path of reason to consider that they were probably lying about their origins as well. And you'll notice he doesn't cite a source for the "Nemo" being aliens, he just shows us that they were supposed to be "aquatic."
Clif's Vid
When people start talking about the Anunaki as if it's historical fact that they were visitors from another planet, I just can't keep my mouth shut.
Does anyone in the alien visitation community use the legitimate translations of the ancient text instead of the ones done by Zacharia Sitchen? No other linguist agrees with Sitchin, and not because of conspiracy. All you have to do is learn the language and you can see his errors. It's almost like picking the Urantia Book as your go-to translation of the Bible.
Why did it take the Anunaki 6 million years to alter our genetics, and why does the fossil record make it look exactly like natural evolution? We could alter genetics faster than that TODAY, so these light-speed travelling aliens must be really primitive. In actuality, many indigenous cultures in SE Asia still maintain that the "Children of the Sun" descended from the sky and became the nobles...and that has nothing to do with aliens.
Some info I've volunteered for Clif's research, nevertheless:
The original rulers of Tibet believed they evolved from a "one footed" androgynous creature with webbed hands who could cover its head with his tongue. The Dogon, Basques, Tibetans, and Ainu repeatedly get claims of "share-words" in their vocabularies, often dismissed by linguists. Linguists generally only look at whether the languages themselves are related, discounting the idea that they may have shared a common neighbor who used a language that's now extinct. These four communities also exhibit some of the most basal lineages within Y Haplogroup DE. It appears this haplogroup was split in two somewhere in the Middle East around 90,000 years ago—precidsely the time at which Neanderthal invaded the Middle East and ran all of the homo sapiens to the east and west (as evidenced by the fossil record).
The earliest Upper Paleolithic culture in Africa, and maybe the world, circa 90,000 yrs ago, was made by a subspecies of homo sapiens with a semiaquatic lifestyle and many archaic traits.
This is actually mainstream thought on the subject.
Semliki Harpoons
An extremely similar culture arose on the island of Timor circa 42,000 years ago. But what makes this culture so advanced is not spaceships or ray-guns—they made intricate harpoon points out of BONE (not advanced polymer). The rest of the world would not see this technology until 18,000 years ago and later. The culture on Timor also made the first fish hooks and designated their royalty with nautilus shell pendants. The African branch circa 90 thousand years ago made yearly trips into the congo to hunt giant catfish using the same methods as the later Timor culture, the Magdelenians, and later the Polynesians and Eskimos.
Is it a coincidence that the three latter groups have high levels of the so-called Chromosome 11 "Mungo Man" introgression, "Mystery Hominid" introgression, and practiced artificial cranial deformation at an early date?
The Timor culture has the earliest record of deep sea fishing, as deep sea species are found in the cave where they lived.
Cro-Magnons in Sulawesi?
Right across the channel from Timor on Sulawesi, a different group was making some of the first cave paintings at the same time, but the semi-aquatic culture on Timor seems not to have practiced cave painting.
But there is one earlier known instance of cave painting—in Spain. But these are agreed to have been made by Neanderthals. And they are the same as those in Sulawesi—blown red ochre hand stencils. What's more, they all show the cultural practice of finger amputation. This is a mourning ritual still practiced by some Australian aborigines and a few tribes in Papua New Guinea. Those tribes still practice the hand stencil culture. To almost every other culture on Earth the practice seems foreign and nonsensical, so there's no reason to doubt a cultural continuum.
But cave paintings and the hand stencils are unknown on Timor and the surrounding islands until possibly as late as 5000 years ago. This is long after animals and plants had been introduced to those islands by humans, long after advanced fishing techniques developed there. From as far back as 20,000 years ago, an obsidian trade network existed between these islands that proves complex sea travel like no other sites of comparable age. But they didn't give a damn about cave painting or hand stencils.
Among the Timor tools in the lowest levels are scrapers almost identical to those used by "The Hobbit," whose culture was also nearby on the island of Flores.
Interestingly, the Oroqen of China and the succeeding rulers of Tibet claimed they descended from the union of a divine monkey and an ogress. Right across the water from Timor in Australia, one of the oldest cave paintings depicts a monkey and a human woman having sex.
Monkeys have never lived in Australia.
The Oroqen share their Y Haplogroup C with the earliest Cro-Magnons in Europe, with the Australian Aborigines, and with the exact tribes in Papua New Guinea who still amputate fingers to mourn death and create hand stencils on cave walls—the Dani and the Lani.
Not Reptiles
The word "reptile" has become a junk word in paleoanthropology, since birds are not reptiles but are closer related to dinosaurs than their fellow reptiles, and "reptile" synapsids are more akin to mammals than to other 'reptiles." Scientists are more likely to use the "synapsid," "diapsid," or "anapsid" designation to denote the differences in clades nowadays. In ancient times, people often considered almost any animal without fur a reptile, especially semi-aquatic things that breath air. In ancient stories, what is described as a sea serpent often has more in common with a primitive whale. In other words, the magi and naga who came swimming across the Indian Ocean need not have been diapsids or anapsids or aliens in order to be considered "reptiles" by the terminology of the day.
The culture being described doesn't seem to have actually had flippers, but I can totally see why such a semiaquatic race would adopt a seal or walrus as its totem. This creature was called the Theurang, and has been theorized to have been a walrus, seal, or sometimes even an orang utan.
I can also see why a hairless race might consider hairy people do be "divine monkeys."
Of course the hairless gene swept through Africa around 1.2 million years ago, but what does that actually mean? We'll have to save that one for another post that will expound on some of the ideas we're debating here.
Since lots of commentors were suggesting that Jenny have Clif return, I left a comment to make the next video more interesting (at least for me).
"You should have Laird Scranton on to debate Clif about the Dogon. He's done decades of great work to show the amazing things they knew about our universe, but his explanation of where it comes from is the most convincing theory I've read yet.
Interesting ideas about the elementals of nature, Jenny. And there are definitely vast pockets in the Earth, several massive caves were recently discovered in Asia(one with its own weather system). Hollow Earth is actually a lot more scientifically tenable than space travel, or the probability of a reason for aliens to come here."
Though I'm not a hollow Earth theorist, I find it folly to ignore the fact that we keep finding massive caves and pockets underground and evidence of an ocean beneath the crust. Antarctica has many secrets to reveal in the next few decades, but I guess we're not going to get them from Google Earth.
Almost all people today have Neanderthal introgression, including the vast majority of Africans. Every population has some "Mungo Man" introgression at Chromosome 11, which likely comes from a "ghost population" of archaic homo sapiens who made their last stand somewhere in the Pacific. Almost every population has Microcephalin D, which introgressed from a sub-species of Hominid which first branched off from us over a million years ago.
But we don't have any alien introgression. Nothing that diverged from us 6 billion years ago. In fact the oldest introgression has 3.1 million year divergence point, which is almost exactly the same date as our last tryst with chimpanzees.
If there was a war between two slaver species and we were the slaves, it might be better to look to the 6 archaic subspecies in Africa, Eurasia, and SE Asia who taught us how to make fire and how to domesticate wolves. Neanderthals, Denisovans, African Archaics, Hobbits, the "Mystery Hominid," the various ghost tribes of Archaic Homo Sapien in our DNA...those who gave us our immunity genes and the strength to survive when 90% of homo sapiens died off during the Pleistocene, and even later when 90% of male lineages died off in the Neolithic.
Since Clif thinks the Anunnaki were lying about creating mankind, it follows the path of reason to consider that they were probably lying about their origins as well. And you'll notice he doesn't cite a source for the "Nemo" being aliens, he just shows us that they were supposed to be "aquatic."
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